Last year, the Daily Mail and other outlets had detailed plans for what would happen with all of the palaces and castles once QEII passed away. It was said that QEII was giving over more of the daily management to Charles at the time, and he was already making plans for where he would live as king and what properties he would give to William and Kate, and which ones he would sell or give up entirely. As we’ve all watched the king go out of his way to snub his younger son, I think it’s safe to say that the Sussexes’ lease on Frogmore Cottage is in danger long-term, if they want to renew it when it’s up. The Sussexes just renewed their lease this spring, and I don’t know if they have to do in one-year or two-year cycles, but in any case, it’s very short-term. Well, Richard Kay at the Mail doesn’t know anything about that, but he’s got some other interesting royal real estate drama:
Charles will move into Buckingham Palace: It was only a few months ago that the then-Prince of Wales let it be known that as King he would live at Buckingham Palace. It was intriguing that it even needed to be said, but then uncertainty has long hovered over his plans. Unquestionably, he has never much liked the place, complaining that it was too large, too impersonal and too draughty.
Will Charles keep Clarence House? It has been suggested he would prefer to keep the much smaller Clarence House, which he and Camilla have turned into a comfortable home, while using the Palace as a working base and for banquets, receptions, garden parties and investitures. In other words, it would be treated as the ‘office’ and he would commute there each day up The Mall. Supporting this theory is the fact that Charles is also keen on opening the Palace more to the public. One factor that may delay any proposed move is that Buckingham Palace is midway through a ten-year, £369 million taxpayer-funded renovation and living among a building site is not a prospect the 73-year old King is looking forward to.
All the King’s homes: Apart from Clarence House, they include Highgrove, his family home near Tetbury in Gloucestershire, and his adored Scottish retreat, Birkhall, on the Balmoral estate. He has described the stone-clad lodge, which also passed to him after the death of his grandmother, as ‘a unique haven of cosiness and character’. But its real charm lies in its grounds, bordering the River Muick, which he has transformed into a peaceful sanctuary. Then there is the Castle of Mey in Caithness — another of his grandmother’s former boltholes where he likes to spend ten days each summer, Dumfries House, the Palladian mansion in Ayrshire he saved for the nation, Llwynywermod, his Welsh cottage and an estate in Romania.
Giving Windsor Castle to the Waleses: The destiny of Windsor Castle, for 1,000 years the oldest and largest occupied castle in the world and the home of Britain’s royalty, is the most intriguing. It is said Charles does not like the castle and finds it too noisy: it lies under the flight path for Heathrow airport. That was not always the case: as a child he loved exploring its ancient rooms, accompanied by the Queen Mother who told him the history of the treasures and artworks they displayed….There has been a suggestion that he is planning to let William and Kate live there. However, that will not happen immediately as the new Prince and Princess of Wales have only just settled into their own home in Windsor, Adelaide Cottage.
Will he give up Highgrove? The idea seems unlikely to come to pass, as the Duchy is now under the control of William who would have the final say on what happened to Highgrove. (As Prince of Wales, he is technically his father’s landlord.) Camilla, who has her own home in Wiltshire, is said to be less attached to Highgrove. According to her biographer Penny Junor, she would ‘not be sad to see Highgrove go . . . It is Diana’s house. It is not hers.’
Charles will keep Birkhall: Meanwhile the King intends to keep Birkhall as his main retreat in Scotland. Its peaceful location has played an important part in helping Charles through many domestic crises. It is also where he and Camilla spent their honeymoon.
Will he hand over Balmoral? This could mean a radical change for Balmoral Castle, the royals’ main home on Deeside and where the Queen died on September 8. One idea that has been floated is that the King is considering handing the castle over to the nation to celebrate the memory of his late mother. This, however, could put him at loggerheads with his siblings and their families, who have grown used to having the castle at their disposal. But as a courtier cautioned: ‘They can take nothing for granted. Just because the Queen did it this way does not mean the King will.’
Allocating: The cottage in Wales may be handed to William, while the retreat in Romania, which is run as a guesthouse, will probably be quietly sold.
The grace-and-favor homes: But there is one home about which there is more speculation than most — Royal Lodge, Prince Andrew’s grand, Grade-II listed pile in Windsor Great Park. Without the protection of the Queen, many will wonder just how long he can remain there. Once the weekend retreat of the Queen Mother — it was where she died in 2002 — the 30-room house on which he has a 75-year lease has been Andrew’s since selling Sunninghill Park, his former marital home.
Anmer Hall: Will William and Kate retain ten-bedroom Anmer Hall, on the Sandringham estate, which was a wedding gift from the Queen? With their lives now revolving around Windsor and with so many other homes potentially available, do they even need it?
Frogmore Cottage: And what of Frogmore Cottage? The Georgian house with the deceptively humble name was given to Harry and Meghan only for them to turn their back on Britain. Since their departure for California it has occasionally been used by Harry’s cousin Princess Eugenie, her husband Jack Brooksbank and their son August. As Charles mulls over his plans to streamline the Royal Family, might Frogmore Cottage be an early victim of that modernising zeal?
Considering all of the royal properties are now under King Charles and the Prince of Wales’s purview, I would assume that they both have better things to do than kicking out Harry and Meghan before their lease is up. But let’s not forget that Charles and William are incredibly petty and devious, so I do think Frogmore Cottage will be “over” for the Sussexes within the next year. They’ll probably position it as “Harry chose this” but really, Charles will kick him out. Plus, I have no doubt that William is already moving into Windsor Castle. Kate can stay at Adelaide Cottage for the time being, surely. The most interesting piece of information is the idea that Charles might give Balmoral to the nation.
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You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. 73 Responses to “What will King Charles III do with all of these castles, palaces & cottages?” Merricat says: September 19, 2022 at 10:28 am If Charles takes FC back, he should reimburse the Sussexes. That would be honorable and kingly, which makes me doubt it will happen thus. Reply TeamMeg says: September 19, 2022 at 10:42 am Better they may keep it as long as they want, but if not, agree it would only be fair to reimburse them. What are the chances? Reply equality says: September 19, 2022 at 10:29 am “£369 million taxpayer-funded renovation”. But, the RF only costs taxpayers less than a pound each per year? I imagine a legal reason would have to be found to break PH’s or PA’s leases, unless they agree to a buyout. KC will have to tread carefully with PA or Fergie will help him write a tell-all on KC. Reply Anastasia says: September 19, 2022 at 2:29 pm I bet after this last nonsense, H&M have signed leases, approved by their lawyer. I’d love to see Chuck try to break that Reply Mary says: September 19, 2022 at 3:00 pm @Anastasia, no one’s lease is safe. To my knowledge, Kate and William have taken over three properties, Anmer, apartment 1A and now Adelaide cottage, that had tenants in them on a lease. The royals think nothing of breaking a lease and kicking a tenant out; and, I think that would apply to another Royal as well. equality says: September 19, 2022 at 3:36 pm If it were easy to do, Kate would very likely have taken FC just because she could. The other people probably got worn down into a buyout or didn’t challenge. Reply Well Wisher says: September 19, 2022 at 10:30 am There was an earlier article from Dan Wootton, which have since panned out. The leaker wanted Harry and Andrew turfed out, since repeated in this recent article. It included that the York sisters should be iced, they made notes and adjustments. This article is a bit softer with malice towards the spares especially Harry. They wanted him disinherited, in this case it is unclear why it was even written. I suspect it is the same leaker. Reply Siobhan says: September 19, 2022 at 11:35 am I believe that (most) of the royal family knew for the past year and certainly for the past 6 months or so that the queen had a terminal illness and wouldn’t live past a year or so. I’m not sure if Harry knew the full extent of this – my guess is that courtiers/family members may have wanted to keep Harry and Meghan from leaking anything about the queens health to any media sources (or at least this is what the royal family would say the reason was if in fact he didn’t know as much about her health as other family members). I think Kate and William knew about her diagnosis whatever it was (I’ve heard bone cancer) and that they also knew from private talks with Charles that they would be getting Windsor Castle some time after she died. I think they wanted to get into a house on the Windsor Estate now so that they would be there by the school year starting – knowing that they wouldn’t have to stay there long. Maybe it’s not Kate’s separation house after all. Though I could also see how it would ultimately be meant as her separation house with William living at Windsor. It’s all starting to make more sense than William living at Kensington and shuffling the kids between Kensington and Windsor. Now to the extent they get shuffled at all, it would be between Windsor Castle and Adelaide. Maybe Adelaide will be a she shed for when they have fights and Kate will have her own quarters in Windsor as well. Reply Becks1 says: September 19, 2022 at 12:02 pm That theory almost works except that the house hunting started last summer, with the Cambridges looking for a private estate that they were going to have to pay for. That doesn’t make sense if they knew the Queen was going to pass. Also, the queen passing doesnt mean they needed Windsor Castle. Charles lived at Kensington Palace as Prince of Wales. I do think at this point its likely that William will have rooms in Windsor, and that works with the queen’s failing health – like if during the course of this search, the Queen became sick (remember her health first became an issue last November), and the search pivoted to the Windsor estate itself for Kate bc William was going to move into Windsor, at least part time. The insistence on keeping KP and Anmer is what just adds another level to this. Green girl says: September 19, 2022 at 12:12 pm Could AC be used as a guest house? I could see Kate and William living separately in the castle itself. I am sure it’s large enough they could do that. That would also mean they can be seen leaving together for joint events if they are under one roof. Do these properties have restrictions regarding long-term stays of non royals? Like could the Middletons move to AC or at least use it as a weekend getaway? Aengus says: September 19, 2022 at 2:43 pm I’m suspicious about the cancer rumors. Getting cancer in your 90s is extremely are, more so after age 95. Frailty and congestive heart failure are more likely causes for her passing away. Mary says: September 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm @aengus, people in the 90s are diagnosed with cancer; it is not uncommon. Indeed, there was a rather shocking cadaver study that showed that 90-some percentage of the cadavers in their 90s had previously undiagnosed thyroid cancer. There are just some cancers that you are likely to get if you live to be in your 90s. Well Wisher says: September 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm Harry and Meghan were in constant contact with the Queen, moreso since they stepped down. It is no accident that they stopped to visit on their way to Europe. She shared that info with them, to prepare them for the inevitable. I don’t think anyone intuit that the end would be so soon, and I cannot think of any reason for Harry to become a leaker to the press. He despises their behaviour and tend to openly identify with what he has to share, which in almost cases is to set the record straight. Reply Duchess of Hazard says: September 19, 2022 at 10:31 am I think Balmoral would be turned over to Scotland, because it’s a money pit and Charles doesn’t seem to like it much. Reply Digital Unicorn says: September 19, 2022 at 10:42 am Balmoral will stay in the family – its a private estate funded by their own money. What Chuck might do it turn it into a more self sufficient estate the way he did with Highgrove as its in dire need of modernisation. He turned Birkhall into a beautiful home and am sure he will do the same to Balmoral. Reply girl_ninja says: September 19, 2022 at 10:32 am Oh my goodness. People cannot pay their heating bills, buy food, pay rent and a dying and members of this family is figuring out what house to live in full-time/part-time and every which way. Let’s we forget that Prince Peggington gets $30 million a year from the Duchy. So unfair. So gross. Reply Lorelel says: September 19, 2022 at 10:34 am I know what he’s NOT going to with them! Open them up to refugees, as royal families in other countries have done. Reply Lucy says: September 19, 2022 at 10:59 am Came here to say this. And William, who has recently taken up homelessness as a cause was quick to include he wouldn’t open up the grand estates he would inherit to the homeless. Smiles indeed. Reply ThatsNotOkay says: September 19, 2022 at 10:34 am No way any of them give any of their estates back, they’re far too greedy. But snatch something from the Sussexes? “By all means!” Reply Amy Bee says: September 19, 2022 at 10:34 am I have no doubt that Charles is going to take Frogmore away from Harry and Meghan and I’m sure Harry knows that too. Reply susan says: September 19, 2022 at 11:51 am I’m sure that everything of Harry and Meghans that was in Frogmore, down to the last pair of socks, has been packed up and shipped to California. These two are DONE. I don’t expect them to ever return, not for Charles’ coronation, not even for their charities. Reply Beach Dreams says: September 19, 2022 at 1:22 pm Yup. The way he’s operated these past 10 days–the curt acknowledgment of them in his speech, the constant leak of stories intended for humiliation–make it crystal clear IMO. I agree that they’ve gotten a good sense of his intentions too, judging by how they apparently took a lot of stuff they left behind back to CA with them post-Jubilee, and Meghan’s discussion about the things she rediscovered at FC in the Cut interview. Reply Lizzie Bathory says: September 19, 2022 at 10:35 am This is just Richard Kay paying lip service to the absurd grandiosity of royal real estate, especially with the economic challenges the country is facing. Charles will no sooner “hand over” Balmoral to the public than he will convert Buckingham Palace into a museum, rather than a monarch’s residence. Charles seem to float these ideas whenever he worries the peasants are sharpening guillotines. Reply Dorcas says: September 19, 2022 at 10:35 am Seriously no one is talking abt the policeman who fainted during the procession. All in all its the peasants who do much work for lesser Reply Geegee says: September 19, 2022 at 10:37 am If I were harry and meghan I would pack up and move out now. Don’t look back. Reply susan says: September 19, 2022 at 11:53 am I’m sure they already have. ony question in my mind is-do they leave tonight or wait till tomorrow. If it were me, the plane would have been gassed up and ready by the time the queen’s coffin’s in the ground, they’d be outta there the minute the official ceremony was over. Reply Becks1 says: September 19, 2022 at 10:38 am LOL at the line about how its been “suggested” that William and Kate move to WC….suggested by W&K, I’m sure. I do think its possible that William gets an apartment of rooms there or something while Kate stays at Adelaide and the public will never know. I also think William will spend most of his time in London but WC gives him cover so that he can be seen at school events and the like. (Also, I know I hate on him a lot, but I get the vibe that he’s actually a better father than he is a brother or husband.) Balmoral to Scotland makes sense, open it up full time as a museum or heck, even a B&B (well a fancy one, lol.) People would pay good money to spend a night there I think. An estate in Romania? I have never heard of this. How much other property are they hiding? Reply Digital Unicorn says: September 19, 2022 at 10:48 am Yeah he’s owned that estate in Romania for years and visits regularly on the down low, when he’s not there it gets rented out to the public. He apparently loves the country and its people. Reply Lucy says: September 19, 2022 at 11:03 am I might be confusing Romania for somewhere else, but I think there was a British princess who married the king there, like in the 1910s. Whatever country it was, she became beloved for her service during WW1, actually doing useful things. I wonder if the estate is connected her somehow. Reply Concern Fae says: September 19, 2022 at 12:11 pm Marie of Romania! She was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria and a famous beauty. She was incredibly popular, becoming a nurse during WWI. She personally represented Romania at the Paris Peace Conference after the war, getting them much better terms than had been expected, largely due to her charm and diplomacy. People did not turn down her invitations. She later toured the US, looking to forward the cause of Romanian independence and expansion. I read a very interesting biography of her years ago. I was curious because there are so many references to her in 30s movies – “Who do you think you are, Marie of Romania?” There were so many saga generational novels back in the 60s-80s. They seemed ridiculously impossible, then you read the bio of Marie of Romania. Oh, and three of her children sat on thrones in the Balkans. Of course, it all ended when the Iron Curtain fell, but she held up to the slander. Sorry to ramble, I’ve hit the wall on watching the funeral. Zoochy says: September 19, 2022 at 1:30 pm Chiming in to agree that Baldy is probably a decent dad (at least compared to Charles). Reply TeamMeg says: September 19, 2022 at 10:40 am That image of Harry not saluting is the most painful. H & M didn’t “turn their back” on England, they asked to take a “step back” from full time to part time working royals. Honestly, becoming part time would be in keeping with Charles’s “slimmed down monarchy” goals, so what was the real problem there? *Ahem* No, it’s the BRF and BM who turned their back on Harry and Meghan…and still they can’t stop with the cruel and petty jabs. Sad and sickening. Reply Nadine says: September 19, 2022 at 10:40 am If KC3 donates Balmoral to the nation, he’ll negotiate some sweetheart deal for himself and his heirs – some extra tax credit, an increase to the sovereign grant or something else that will benefit him. He does nothing out of the goodness of his heart. Reply Fredegunda says: September 19, 2022 at 10:46 am What happens when he is not in residence? Do these places just sit empty for the rest of the 355 days of the year that he is not there? Why not use the Castle of Mey (or whatever) to anchor a social housing program or make it a refugee reception center so they don’t have to ship people to Rwanda? Reply Becks1 says: September 19, 2022 at 11:05 am So some of these places are open to the public when the royals arent in residence. I think even Sandringham is open sometimes (I know the grounds are definitely open and there’s a cafe lol.) The Castle of Mey is also open to the public, etc. I think you can visit the gardens at Highgrove (but not the house) but I could be totally wrong about that. Reply lucy2 says: September 19, 2022 at 1:36 pm Yes, I’ve visited Windsor, Kensington, and Hampton Court, all were open to touring. I’ve also been to a few other privately owned estates like that, and many of them are available for weddings and other events too, as well as touring. BRF should open up more to the public, nobody needs all those buildings sitting empty most of the time, and revenue could go to maintaining them, and some local charities. Annalise says: September 19, 2022 at 11:09 am I’ve wondered the same thing!! And can you imagine the utility costs for all these castles?? No doubt the power stays on even when no one is in residence. Funded by the taxpayers no less, who are currently having to choose between food and heat……… Reply SnoodleDumpling says: September 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm Oh, yeah, of course the power stays on, the thermal inertia of mansions like that is ENORMOUS so it can take days or weeks of the heaters/coolers running nonstop to bring it up (or down) to the standard ‘in-use’ temperature range. Keeping the power on and keeping the temperature stable is cheaper in the long run. Plus, the caretakers do tend to live in-house and would prefer to having working power. And all the furniture, paintings, and art objects would degrade more and faster with temperature swings like that, and I’m pretty sure most of that in their mansions and such actually belongs to the government so can’t really be having the mismanagement of that stuff be TOO obviously wasteful and bad. Kimsan says: September 19, 2022 at 10:48 am Idk how true any of this is but if they take away from more cottage then to me they’re essentially telling Harry (and only Harry because they already felt this way with meghan) not to come back.this coronation is going to be a mess. I don’t like the idea of Harry and Meghan going back to the uk after they leave. I feel like it’s going to be open season on them and that’s saying something. Reply Merricat says: September 19, 2022 at 11:09 am I have no doubt that Harry and Meghan can safely and successfully continue their charitable work for the various causes they support. Reply Queen Meghan’s Hand says: September 19, 2022 at 11:21 am Charles will dangle the Frogmore lease and security as a carrot to get Harry to do what he (Charles) wants. They very much want Harry to comeback. And the carrot will work on Harry for some times and not work on Harry for others. And this is how it will be until this family line ends. Like his violent ancestors, Charles is cruel. This is how it is. Reply Saucy&Sassy says: September 19, 2022 at 6:14 pm Queen Meghan’s Hand, we’ll have to wait and see how the judicial review of the Home Office’s decision to deny him & his family security turns out. It quite possible he’ll get the security he needs and pay for it himself. Brassy Rebel says: September 19, 2022 at 10:55 am You would never know there’s a housing crisis in the UK if the royals were the only family you knew about. It’s pretty obscene. Reply Lili says: September 19, 2022 at 11:06 am does Forgmore Cottage belong to the queen? Can she leave it to harry in her will where he doesnt have to pay rent on it, since he has renovated it ? Reply Snuffles says: September 19, 2022 at 11:13 am That’s an interesting thought. He would still have to pay taxes on it. Who knows. I’m inclined to think that unless the Queen went out of her way to protect Harry and Meghan post death, Charles will yank Frogmore Cottage from Harry as soon as he can. So, if it’s a year to year lease, then it won’t be renewed next year. Reply Becks1 says: September 19, 2022 at 11:17 am It’s part of the Crown Estates I believe which isn’t the same as belonging to the Queen. Reply Queen Meghan’s Hand says: September 19, 2022 at 11:13 am The reasons for those short Frogmore Cottage leases was that if The Queen kicked the bucket, King Charles could easily and quickly push out Harry, Meghan and their children off a royal estate. Congrats, Charles! Ugh, I do not look forward to Charles using castles and cottages and palaces (oh my!) as torture devices against his sons. Reply Becks1 says: September 19, 2022 at 11:17 am Flip side of that though – maybe the reason for the short lease is because Harry knew when his grandmother passed he wasn’t planning on coming back to the UK besides a few charity visits a year. Reply Angelica Schuyler says: September 19, 2022 at 11:33 am You know which estate Chuck and Willie can’t take from the Sussexes? The Montecito “Palace”. (Thank God!) And…The Sussexes can afford to buy a different estate in the UK, if they wanted to, that would also not leave them at the whims of King Charles the Petty and the Prince of Pegginton. These people are so small minded it’s just pathetic. Reply Etha says: September 19, 2022 at 11:18 am All this reminds me that they suggested Meghan should continue working because there was no money for her. Reply Angelica Schuyler says: September 19, 2022 at 11:47 am When I first heard that, I was shocked and confused. How could the family that was worth BILLIONS not afford to support Meghan? Oh right, the -not a racist – family had more than enough money to support the rest of the (white) family, but the Black dutchess would have to keep working. Because they’re not a racist family. Of course….. Judge Judy has a saying, “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” Reply Jennifer says: September 19, 2022 at 3:25 pm I was surprised that people who don’t approve of acting as a job would uh…encourage her working as an actress in a job?! Snuffles says: September 19, 2022 at 11:19 am If I were King Charles, I would quietly move the lesser cousins out of these properties and give them modest accommodations and an allowance for their final years. Any children and grandchildren would be cut off and told to make their own way in the world. Then I would sell off or return what he can. And if he can’t, rent them out to businesses or for parties or filming locations and turn them into profitable businesses. Reply nina says: September 19, 2022 at 11:23 am Can someone please explain why a country that cannot take care of its ordinary citizens’ basic needs, allows a man who has inherited billions to not pay inheritance taxes? It boggles the mind. Does that whole country suffer from Stockholm Syndrome? Reply Red Weather Tiger says: September 19, 2022 at 11:23 am Look at all QE2’s kids, each sitting on GRAND estates where they have all lived comfortably for decades. But one of Charles’s two sons will be booted out like trash. What a terrible person, horrible father, and rotten king he is. Reply Kathryn says: September 19, 2022 at 11:27 am I’m sure Charles is smart enough to understand the growing cries to abolish the monarchy and that a lot of people held respect for the queen and many tides will turn now that she is gone. He has been sending through his “slimmed down monarchy” message through the press for years prior to his ascension and I would not be surprised if he returned or gave up quite a few properties as a sort of precautionary measure. However, I think it’s a slippery slope because once you start doing that, the calls to give up more might grow. (Note: I don’t think they need all these palatial estates and the optics are awful considering the inequality in the UK but I’m curious to see how all this plays out) Reply Isabella says: September 19, 2022 at 12:55 pm I always worry when a sentence begins with “Charles is smart enough to …” But I love your optimism. Reply Dara says: September 19, 2022 at 11:29 am Isn’t being a counselor of state contingent on being a resident of the UK? If I understand correctly, Chuck can’t pick them, they are appointed by law, but the residency requirement could be enough of a loophole to take the counselor role away from Harry. Taking Frogmore could be the first step to that end. I suppose he and Meghan could always buy or lease another place though, so not quite sure what Charles would gain. Reply Lizzie says: September 19, 2022 at 12:29 pm Good point – might be a reason to pull Frogmore Cottage so Harry is no longer domiciled in UK. I thought that Andrew had something like a 70year lease. I think KC3 will hold onto everything he can for George, Charlotte and Louis. Reply Beach Dreams says: September 19, 2022 at 1:30 pm Funnily enough, among the deluge of leaks/stories was one that stated Charles wanted to get the law amended so he could appoint different counselors. Reply Dara says: September 19, 2022 at 3:00 pm I mean, if I were Charles I’d want to change the law too – if only to have the pleasure of tossing Andrew out on his abundant backside. But tragically, it’s not difficult to imagine that Harry would be next to go. equality says: September 19, 2022 at 3:38 pm KC probably doesn’t want Bea either. HeyKay says: September 19, 2022 at 11:46 am I thought he had been planning to turn several into historical museums open to the public. The upkeep on those giant places must be outrageous! Buckingham Palace needs to stay open as residence of a monarch…it’s a huge tourist draw. Charles really has his work cut out for him, keeping The Firm open is gonna be a tough road. Reply ChillinginDC says: September 19, 2022 at 11:51 am If PC tries to kick them out he needs to repay them for extending the lease. Cause I believe Prince Harry extended it out for 2 plus more years or so when he did it at the top of the year. If this is Charles’s way of trying to force Harry and Meghan to stay with him when they are in England, I assume they will just choose a hotel. I do worry this may cause their security review to not go Harry’s way though. Reply Snickers says: September 19, 2022 at 11:53 am I think the Royal Lodge will be yanked from Andrew/Ferguson as soon as possible and even think that Yorks could end up in Adelaide while the Wales move to the Lodge. I really hope that KC3 does not revoke H/M’s lease. Reply jferber says: September 19, 2022 at 12:50 pm My guess? They’ll all go to W and K as their 25th, 26th, 27th etc. homes. Because they can. Reply Isabella says: September 19, 2022 at 12:57 pm I don’t see how Charles can throw the Sussexes out of Frogmore without tossing Andrew out of the much more palatial Royal Lodge. However, I don’t think Wills and Kate want the Sussexes at Windsor. There were creepy articles about restricting Meghan’s use of the gardens in the run-up to the funeral. Reply bananie says: September 19, 2022 at 3:22 pm “According to her biographer Penny Junor, she would ‘not be sad to see Highgrove go . . . It is Diana’s house. It is not hers.’” Is that because Charles was HER husband first? And his little self obsession house in Highgrove was a close to Camilla hidey hole? Shut up Penny. Reply AmelieOriginal says: September 19, 2022 at 3:33 pm I do wonder what Charles will do with all the properties and how he’ll move around them. The Queen always did Christmas at Sandringham, but will Charles continue that tradition? She also bounced off to Balmoral for 2 months every year, but it doesn’t sound like Charles wants to do that (or at least he doesn’t want to hold on to the main Balmoral castle building). He probably won’t use the properties the way his mother did so it’ll be interesting to see what he does. I also doubt Charles will live in Buckingham Palace full time like the Queen did for most of her life. He doesn’t like it there and it’s undergoing massive renovations, are the living quarters even livable? He’ll probably use it as an office and for official functions. Reply Nevia says: September 19, 2022 at 5:16 pm On a shallow note, Highgrove is a stunningly beautiful home. The residence, as well as the gardens, look absolutely idyllic. Reply Dara says: September 19, 2022 at 8:49 pm After Camilla, I think Highgrove is Charles’ great passion. I can’t picture him surrendering it to anyone else while he still draws breath. If it goes along with the Duchy of Cornwall, can you imagine Kate rolling up to the place with a bag full of paint samples and fabric swatches? Charles would fly into a murderous rage and/or drop dead from a heart attack. The next state funeral would come sooner than we all expect, and/or William would – after a suitable mourning period – be free to take a new wife. Reply blunt talker says: September 20, 2022 at 12:15 am The windsor castle have 1000 bedrooms in it-they stated that on the news today-plenty of room for the Wales family to spread out Reply Maremotrice says: September 23, 2022 at 12:02 pm IMHO the royals should be making more use of their properties outside of London as official working residences, not just as holiday retreats. It was QE2’s practice to base herself at Holyroodhouse for just one week in June, when she would carry out her quota of Scottish engagements for the whole year. Hardly treating Scotland as an equal partner in the union, was it? And what a waste. If I were lucky enough to have a pad in Edinburgh I’d go there far more often! Reply Commenting Guidelines Read the article before commenting. We aim to be a friendly, welcoming site where people can discuss entertainment stories and current events in a lighthearted, safe environment without fear of harassment, excessive negativity, or bullying. 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If Charles takes FC back, he should reimburse the Sussexes. That would be honorable and kingly, which makes me doubt it will happen thus.
Better they may keep it as long as they want, but if not, agree it would only be fair to reimburse them. What are the chances?
“£369 million taxpayer-funded renovation”. But, the RF only costs taxpayers less than a pound each per year? I imagine a legal reason would have to be found to break PH’s or PA’s leases, unless they agree to a buyout. KC will have to tread carefully with PA or Fergie will help him write a tell-all on KC.
I bet after this last nonsense, H&M have signed leases, approved by their lawyer. I’d love to see Chuck try to break that
@Anastasia, no one’s lease is safe. To my knowledge, Kate and William have taken over three properties, Anmer, apartment 1A and now Adelaide cottage, that had tenants in them on a lease. The royals think nothing of breaking a lease and kicking a tenant out; and, I think that would apply to another Royal as well.
If it were easy to do, Kate would very likely have taken FC just because she could. The other people probably got worn down into a buyout or didn’t challenge.
There was an earlier article from Dan Wootton, which have since panned out. The leaker wanted Harry and Andrew turfed out, since repeated in this recent article. It included that the York sisters should be iced, they made notes and adjustments. This article is a bit softer with malice towards the spares especially Harry. They wanted him disinherited, in this case it is unclear why it was even written.
I suspect it is the same leaker.
I believe that (most) of the royal family knew for the past year and certainly for the past 6 months or so that the queen had a terminal illness and wouldn’t live past a year or so. I’m not sure if Harry knew the full extent of this – my guess is that courtiers/family members may have wanted to keep Harry and Meghan from leaking anything about the queens health to any media sources (or at least this is what the royal family would say the reason was if in fact he didn’t know as much about her health as other family members). I think Kate and William knew about her diagnosis whatever it was (I’ve heard bone cancer) and that they also knew from private talks with Charles that they would be getting Windsor Castle some time after she died. I think they wanted to get into a house on the Windsor Estate now so that they would be there by the school year starting – knowing that they wouldn’t have to stay there long. Maybe it’s not Kate’s separation house after all. Though I could also see how it would ultimately be meant as her separation house with William living at Windsor. It’s all starting to make more sense than William living at Kensington and shuffling the kids between Kensington and Windsor. Now to the extent they get shuffled at all, it would be between Windsor Castle and Adelaide. Maybe Adelaide will be a she shed for when they have fights and Kate will have her own quarters in Windsor as well.
That theory almost works except that the house hunting started last summer, with the Cambridges looking for a private estate that they were going to have to pay for. That doesn’t make sense if they knew the Queen was going to pass. Also, the queen passing doesnt mean they needed Windsor Castle. Charles lived at Kensington Palace as Prince of Wales.
I do think at this point its likely that William will have rooms in Windsor, and that works with the queen’s failing health – like if during the course of this search, the Queen became sick (remember her health first became an issue last November), and the search pivoted to the Windsor estate itself for Kate bc William was going to move into Windsor, at least part time. The insistence on keeping KP and Anmer is what just adds another level to this.
Could AC be used as a guest house? I could see Kate and William living separately in the castle itself. I am sure it’s large enough they could do that. That would also mean they can be seen leaving together for joint events if they are under one roof.
Do these properties have restrictions regarding long-term stays of non royals? Like could the Middletons move to AC or at least use it as a weekend getaway?
I’m suspicious about the cancer rumors. Getting cancer in your 90s is extremely are, more so after age 95. Frailty and congestive heart failure are more likely causes for her passing away.
@aengus, people in the 90s are diagnosed with cancer; it is not uncommon. Indeed, there was a rather shocking cadaver study that showed that 90-some percentage of the cadavers in their 90s had previously undiagnosed thyroid cancer. There are just some cancers that you are likely to get if you live to be in your 90s.
Harry and Meghan were in constant contact with the Queen, moreso since they stepped down. It is no accident that they stopped to visit on their way to Europe. She shared that info with them, to prepare them for the inevitable. I don’t think anyone intuit that the end would be so soon, and I cannot think of any reason for Harry to become a leaker to the press. He despises their behaviour and tend to openly identify with what he has to share, which in almost cases is to set the record straight.
I think Balmoral would be turned over to Scotland, because it’s a money pit and Charles doesn’t seem to like it much.
Balmoral will stay in the family – its a private estate funded by their own money. What Chuck might do it turn it into a more self sufficient estate the way he did with Highgrove as its in dire need of modernisation. He turned Birkhall into a beautiful home and am sure he will do the same to Balmoral.
Oh my goodness. People cannot pay their heating bills, buy food, pay rent and a dying and members of this family is figuring out what house to live in full-time/part-time and every which way. Let’s we forget that Prince Peggington gets $30 million a year from the Duchy. So unfair. So gross.
I know what he’s NOT going to with them! Open them up to refugees, as royal families in other countries have done.
Came here to say this. And William, who has recently taken up homelessness as a cause was quick to include he wouldn’t open up the grand estates he would inherit to the homeless. Smiles indeed.
No way any of them give any of their estates back, they’re far too greedy. But snatch something from the Sussexes? “By all means!”
I have no doubt that Charles is going to take Frogmore away from Harry and Meghan and I’m sure Harry knows that too.
I’m sure that everything of Harry and Meghans that was in Frogmore, down to the last pair of socks, has been packed up and shipped to California. These two are DONE. I don’t expect them to ever return, not for Charles’ coronation, not even for their charities.
Yup. The way he’s operated these past 10 days–the curt acknowledgment of them in his speech, the constant leak of stories intended for humiliation–make it crystal clear IMO. I agree that they’ve gotten a good sense of his intentions too, judging by how they apparently took a lot of stuff they left behind back to CA with them post-Jubilee, and Meghan’s discussion about the things she rediscovered at FC in the Cut interview.
This is just Richard Kay paying lip service to the absurd grandiosity of royal real estate, especially with the economic challenges the country is facing. Charles will no sooner “hand over” Balmoral to the public than he will convert Buckingham Palace into a museum, rather than a monarch’s residence.
Charles seem to float these ideas whenever he worries the peasants are sharpening guillotines.
Seriously no one is talking abt the policeman who fainted during the procession. All in all its the peasants who do much work for lesser
If I were harry and meghan I would pack up and move out now. Don’t look back.
I’m sure they already have. ony question in my mind is-do they leave tonight or wait till tomorrow. If it were me, the plane would have been gassed up and ready by the time the queen’s coffin’s in the ground, they’d be outta there the minute the official ceremony was over.
LOL at the line about how its been “suggested” that William and Kate move to WC….suggested by W&K, I’m sure. I do think its possible that William gets an apartment of rooms there or something while Kate stays at Adelaide and the public will never know. I also think William will spend most of his time in London but WC gives him cover so that he can be seen at school events and the like. (Also, I know I hate on him a lot, but I get the vibe that he’s actually a better father than he is a brother or husband.)
Balmoral to Scotland makes sense, open it up full time as a museum or heck, even a B&B (well a fancy one, lol.) People would pay good money to spend a night there I think.
An estate in Romania? I have never heard of this. How much other property are they hiding?
Yeah he’s owned that estate in Romania for years and visits regularly on the down low, when he’s not there it gets rented out to the public. He apparently loves the country and its people.
I might be confusing Romania for somewhere else, but I think there was a British princess who married the king there, like in the 1910s. Whatever country it was, she became beloved for her service during WW1, actually doing useful things. I wonder if the estate is connected her somehow.
Marie of Romania! She was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria and a famous beauty. She was incredibly popular, becoming a nurse during WWI. She personally represented Romania at the Paris Peace Conference after the war, getting them much better terms than had been expected, largely due to her charm and diplomacy. People did not turn down her invitations. She later toured the US, looking to forward the cause of Romanian independence and expansion.
I read a very interesting biography of her years ago. I was curious because there are so many references to her in 30s movies – “Who do you think you are, Marie of Romania?” There were so many saga generational novels back in the 60s-80s. They seemed ridiculously impossible, then you read the bio of Marie of Romania. Oh, and three of her children sat on thrones in the Balkans. Of course, it all ended when the Iron Curtain fell, but she held up to the slander.
Sorry to ramble, I’ve hit the wall on watching the funeral.
Chiming in to agree that Baldy is probably a decent dad (at least compared to Charles).
That image of Harry not saluting is the most painful. H & M didn’t “turn their back” on England, they asked to take a “step back” from full time to part time working royals. Honestly, becoming part time would be in keeping with Charles’s “slimmed down monarchy” goals, so what was the real problem there? *Ahem* No, it’s the BRF and BM who turned their back on Harry and Meghan…and still they can’t stop with the cruel and petty jabs. Sad and sickening.
If KC3 donates Balmoral to the nation, he’ll negotiate some sweetheart deal for himself and his heirs – some extra tax credit, an increase to the sovereign grant or something else that will benefit him. He does nothing out of the goodness of his heart.
What happens when he is not in residence? Do these places just sit empty for the rest of the 355 days of the year that he is not there? Why not use the Castle of Mey (or whatever) to anchor a social housing program or make it a refugee reception center so they don’t have to ship people to Rwanda?
So some of these places are open to the public when the royals arent in residence. I think even Sandringham is open sometimes (I know the grounds are definitely open and there’s a cafe lol.) The Castle of Mey is also open to the public, etc. I think you can visit the gardens at Highgrove (but not the house) but I could be totally wrong about that.
Yes, I’ve visited Windsor, Kensington, and Hampton Court, all were open to touring. I’ve also been to a few other privately owned estates like that, and many of them are available for weddings and other events too, as well as touring. BRF should open up more to the public, nobody needs all those buildings sitting empty most of the time, and revenue could go to maintaining them, and some local charities.
I’ve wondered the same thing!! And can you imagine the utility costs for all these castles?? No doubt the power stays on even when no one is in residence. Funded by the taxpayers no less, who are currently having to choose between food and heat………
Oh, yeah, of course the power stays on, the thermal inertia of mansions like that is ENORMOUS so it can take days or weeks of the heaters/coolers running nonstop to bring it up (or down) to the standard ‘in-use’ temperature range. Keeping the power on and keeping the temperature stable is cheaper in the long run.
Plus, the caretakers do tend to live in-house and would prefer to having working power. And all the furniture, paintings, and art objects would degrade more and faster with temperature swings like that, and I’m pretty sure most of that in their mansions and such actually belongs to the government so can’t really be having the mismanagement of that stuff be TOO obviously wasteful and bad.
Idk how true any of this is but if they take away from more cottage then to me they’re essentially telling Harry (and only Harry because they already felt this way with meghan) not to come back.this coronation is going to be a mess. I don’t like the idea of Harry and Meghan going back to the uk after they leave. I feel like it’s going to be open season on them and that’s saying something.
I have no doubt that Harry and Meghan can safely and successfully continue their charitable work for the various causes they support.
Charles will dangle the Frogmore lease and security as a carrot to get Harry to do what he (Charles) wants. They very much want Harry to comeback. And the carrot will work on Harry for some times and not work on Harry for others. And this is how it will be until this family line ends. Like his violent ancestors, Charles is cruel. This is how it is.
Queen Meghan’s Hand, we’ll have to wait and see how the judicial review of the Home Office’s decision to deny him & his family security turns out. It quite possible he’ll get the security he needs and pay for it himself.
You would never know there’s a housing crisis in the UK if the royals were the only family you knew about. It’s pretty obscene.
does Forgmore Cottage belong to the queen? Can she leave it to harry in her will where he doesnt have to pay rent on it, since he has renovated it ?
That’s an interesting thought. He would still have to pay taxes on it. Who knows. I’m inclined to think that unless the Queen went out of her way to protect Harry and Meghan post death, Charles will yank Frogmore Cottage from Harry as soon as he can. So, if it’s a year to year lease, then it won’t be renewed next year.
It’s part of the Crown Estates I believe which isn’t the same as belonging to the Queen.
The reasons for those short Frogmore Cottage leases was that if The Queen kicked the bucket, King Charles could easily and quickly push out Harry, Meghan and their children off a royal estate. Congrats, Charles!
Ugh, I do not look forward to Charles using castles and cottages and palaces (oh my!) as torture devices against his sons.
Flip side of that though – maybe the reason for the short lease is because Harry knew when his grandmother passed he wasn’t planning on coming back to the UK besides a few charity visits a year.
You know which estate Chuck and Willie can’t take from the Sussexes? The Montecito “Palace”. (Thank God!) And…The Sussexes can afford to buy a different estate in the UK, if they wanted to, that would also not leave them at the whims of King Charles the Petty and the Prince of Pegginton.
These people are so small minded it’s just pathetic.
All this reminds me that they suggested Meghan should continue working because there was no money for her.
When I first heard that, I was shocked and confused. How could the family that was worth BILLIONS not afford to support Meghan? Oh right, the -not a racist – family had more than enough money to support the rest of the (white) family, but the Black dutchess would have to keep working.
Because they’re not a racist family. Of course…..
Judge Judy has a saying, “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.”
I was surprised that people who don’t approve of acting as a job would uh…encourage her working as an actress in a job?!
If I were King Charles, I would quietly move the lesser cousins out of these properties and give them modest accommodations and an allowance for their final years. Any children and grandchildren would be cut off and told to make their own way in the world.
Then I would sell off or return what he can. And if he can’t, rent them out to businesses or for parties or filming locations and turn them into profitable businesses.
Can someone please explain why a country that cannot take care of its ordinary citizens’ basic needs, allows a man who has inherited billions to not pay inheritance taxes? It boggles the mind. Does that whole country suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?
Look at all QE2’s kids, each sitting on GRAND estates where they have all lived comfortably for decades. But one of Charles’s two sons will be booted out like trash. What a terrible person, horrible father, and rotten king he is.
I’m sure Charles is smart enough to understand the growing cries to abolish the monarchy and that a lot of people held respect for the queen and many tides will turn now that she is gone. He has been sending through his “slimmed down monarchy” message through the press for years prior to his ascension and I would not be surprised if he returned or gave up quite a few properties as a sort of precautionary measure. However, I think it’s a slippery slope because once you start doing that, the calls to give up more might grow. (Note: I don’t think they need all these palatial estates and the optics are awful considering the inequality in the UK but I’m curious to see how all this plays out)
I always worry when a sentence begins with “Charles is smart enough to …” But I love your optimism.
Isn’t being a counselor of state contingent on being a resident of the UK? If I understand correctly, Chuck can’t pick them, they are appointed by law, but the residency requirement could be enough of a loophole to take the counselor role away from Harry. Taking Frogmore could be the first step to that end. I suppose he and Meghan could always buy or lease another place though, so not quite sure what Charles would gain.
Good point – might be a reason to pull Frogmore Cottage so Harry is no longer domiciled in UK. I thought that Andrew had something like a 70year lease. I think KC3 will hold onto everything he can for George, Charlotte and Louis.
Funnily enough, among the deluge of leaks/stories was one that stated Charles wanted to get the law amended so he could appoint different counselors.
I mean, if I were Charles I’d want to change the law too – if only to have the pleasure of tossing Andrew out on his abundant backside. But tragically, it’s not difficult to imagine that Harry would be next to go.
KC probably doesn’t want Bea either.
I thought he had been planning to turn several into historical museums open to the public. The upkeep on those giant places must be outrageous!
Buckingham Palace needs to stay open as residence of a monarch…it’s a huge tourist draw.
Charles really has his work cut out for him, keeping The Firm open is gonna be a tough road.
If PC tries to kick them out he needs to repay them for extending the lease. Cause I believe Prince Harry extended it out for 2 plus more years or so when he did it at the top of the year. If this is Charles’s way of trying to force Harry and Meghan to stay with him when they are in England, I assume they will just choose a hotel. I do worry this may cause their security review to not go Harry’s way though.
I think the Royal Lodge will be yanked from Andrew/Ferguson as soon as possible and even think that Yorks could end up in Adelaide while the Wales move to the Lodge. I really hope that KC3 does not revoke H/M’s lease.
My guess? They’ll all go to W and K as their 25th, 26th, 27th etc. homes. Because they can.
I don’t see how Charles can throw the Sussexes out of Frogmore without tossing Andrew out of the much more palatial Royal Lodge.
However, I don’t think Wills and Kate want the Sussexes at Windsor. There were creepy articles about restricting Meghan’s use of the gardens in the run-up to the funeral.
“According to her biographer Penny Junor, she would ‘not be sad to see Highgrove go . . . It is Diana’s house. It is not hers.’” Is that because Charles was HER husband first? And his little self obsession house in Highgrove was a close to Camilla hidey hole? Shut up Penny.
I do wonder what Charles will do with all the properties and how he’ll move around them. The Queen always did Christmas at Sandringham, but will Charles continue that tradition? She also bounced off to Balmoral for 2 months every year, but it doesn’t sound like Charles wants to do that (or at least he doesn’t want to hold on to the main Balmoral castle building). He probably won’t use the properties the way his mother did so it’ll be interesting to see what he does.
I also doubt Charles will live in Buckingham Palace full time like the Queen did for most of her life. He doesn’t like it there and it’s undergoing massive renovations, are the living quarters even livable? He’ll probably use it as an office and for official functions.
On a shallow note, Highgrove is a stunningly beautiful home. The residence, as well as the gardens, look absolutely idyllic.
After Camilla, I think Highgrove is Charles’ great passion. I can’t picture him surrendering it to anyone else while he still draws breath.
If it goes along with the Duchy of Cornwall, can you imagine Kate rolling up to the place with a bag full of paint samples and fabric swatches? Charles would fly into a murderous rage and/or drop dead from a heart attack. The next state funeral would come sooner than we all expect, and/or William would – after a suitable mourning period – be free to take a new wife.
The windsor castle have 1000 bedrooms in it-they stated that on the news today-plenty of room for the Wales family to spread out
IMHO the royals should be making more use of their properties outside of London as official working residences, not just as holiday retreats. It was QE2’s practice to base herself at Holyroodhouse for just one week in June, when she would carry out her quota of Scottish engagements for the whole year. Hardly treating Scotland as an equal partner in the union, was it? And what a waste. If I were lucky enough to have a pad in Edinburgh I’d go there far more often!
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